[META] UA idea, would double UA work?
I'm sorry to ask this here, ...
but I kinda always see same crap and mods like me can't do much, ...
there's 80 - 95% of questions that I just refuse, nor am I answering the crap.
now think of looking only for 30% of good questions that were aproved, and 50% of them unanswered.
it's like 15% of good questions that weren't answered. now try finding that in history of UA.
and I've just got an idea as heaving 2. UA with propably waaaay less Questions but most propably way better answers.
I was thinking heaving it this way:
NOTE KARMA SYSTEM FOR ADV section OF UA
(K>=0) . . . You are able to read everything except deleted posts.
(K>50) . . . You are able to upvote.
(K>500) . . You are able to post a question in MOD queue.
(K>2000) . You are able to post a question without MOD queue.
(K>2500) . You are able to flag offensive, close questions.
(K>3000) . You are able to vote down.
(K>3500) . You are able to read MOD queue
(K>4000) . You are able to Edit other people's posts
(K>5000) . You are able to Approve MOD Queue questions
(K>15000) You are able to Delete any post, convert answers to comments and vice versa
why because I believe in learning system. first you watch few times a MOD queue and what goes through.
and there's plenty of 5k + users to approve questions OFC if it's not too crappy Q.
what can we ask here is same stuff that we can ask in normal UA except here only users with more than 500K can participate.
AND even more if user with 500 karma will be asking garbage in advanced section 15000K users will probably take some of his karma away because he didn't learn his lesson YET.
if you have any better idea please comment.
So we have 2 conflicting use-cases:
Newbies asking "trash" questions and then have someone walk them through the learning process
Intermediate/Advanced users that want a higher quality collection of questions.
I also want to be able to see the high-quality questions in an easier way but this solution shuts out newbies and doesn't provide an alternative.
$$anonymous$$y two cents: Yes it is annoying to see this many "stupid" question which can be answered by google in 2 $$anonymous$$utes or looking into the docs. And it is also annoying to see that many of those people wo has such question never return or mark questions as answered, resulting in cloggin the board.
However someone who has just started learning but is eager to, will not be able to put up usefull comments or answers. But he would need to ask questions in order to improve. After he improved, he can give this back to the community. This would not be possible if he is unable to ask questions in the first place.
$$anonymous$$aybe only one out of ten newcomers would be like this and the other nine would be like what I described in the first paragraph. But I think it would be wrong to punish him for the behaviour of the others.
$$anonymous$$aybe a better approach for a filter effect would be a question timer for people with low karma: When the question was written the user must push a "question done" - button. Then a countdown beginns and he is provided with an intern search link for similar problems, one link to the documentations and a text asking him if he tried to google it. After the countdown was finished he has to check some "I tried all this but it didn't work" checkboxes. Only then he can post his question into the mod que.
Not posting this to offend anyone, because I appreciate the OP bringing this issue up, the quality of UA is just bad, but: To me it seems like you can discuss about this issue as much as you like, but clearly whoever runs this site doesn't want to improve it.
Occasionally I see moderation, but only like conversion of answers to comments, etc. I see the same quesions every day, NullPointerExceptions, array indexes, syntax errors.
The atmosphere here is horrible and I can't imagine that any person who wants to stay sane regularily browses this forum.
I got mad, went on a rampage, got a lot of hateful comments and emails, I went mad (sanity was lost), I withdrew (yet I still read UA every day).
The only way to stay sane here is to learn how to filter questions, find the ones you are interested in, and give an answer/comment to an individual question on an individual basis. This is not why UA was created, but I too have totally given up on that ideal. UA is just another version of the forum, with a better way to follow a question by subscribing without having to place a comment first to receive emails about updates.
Which leads me to the initial problem and the guts of this question. I never receive emails to 'followed' questions I think are of a high technical caliber, they are simply left unanswered, lost in the jumble. So how does a serious developer get an answer to a high technical question that is causing an impass? It's not a matter of karma, most of the best questions are asked by very low karma users, because they for the most part just work it out themselves, and have no need to constantly refer to UA for help. They also don't have time to be a regular contributer to raise their karma. And karma simply does not work, I'm constantly down-voting 'write-my-code' questions because another new programmer wants the same code supplied and has upvoted.
The only way this type of user will ever receive an answer is as suggested by Fattie and the people here, there has to be an Advanced section. Questions can be promoted to this list by high karma mods, hardcore devs can read these filtered questions easily and provide advanced help (which others like me would be very grateful in being able to read and learn from once again). All while the bulk of UA remains to help the new user on an individual basis.
Again, I try to offer my experience to everyone here, if you find an interesting question, and you believe the OP will learn and grow from your answer, then help them on an individual basis. It's the only way to get any joy and satisfaction from UA. You just have to learn how to filter through the rest. Occasionally I'll get a positive comment on an old answer, and it does feel good to know you've somehow helped another on their journey in program$$anonymous$$g.
and don't worry, this is not a prequel to me going on any more rampages or rants, I just want to be recognized as someone who can be of help to the community like I was in my first year
@unimechanic : Do Not Devalue discussions such as this. Apart from Unity being a great product, the fact is that it is the community that has made Unity what it is today. I suggest you thoroughly read each and every answer and comment to the following threads before you think you can suddenly make UA adhere to the initial vision. I learned the painful way, this aint gonna happen, mkay?
http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/432710/meta-unity-answers-is-degrading-.html
http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/18806/what-can-we-do-to-improve-the-quality-of-unityansw.html
http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/179847-$$anonymous$$gestions-Changes-to-the-Unity-Answers-Section
Edit : actually, why don't you focus on addressing the problems us users have tried to notify you on regarding the actual functionality of the 'site :
http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/513329/meta-send-message-is-still-broken-on-moderation-pa.html
http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/526226/meta-user-search-is-not-working.html
also currently, email notifications are not being received until 24 hours after a comment/answer/question has been posted.
Answer by whydoidoit · Feb 22, 2014 at 02:22 AM
Ok, so I'm wondering why anybody cares that there are questions about null pointers or beginning programming things, or indeed discussions around game design ideas. I've was flicking through the "most voted" questions the other day and there's a litany of people saying "UA is degrading" blah blah blah, me included, for years.
I've been spouting the mantra of "this is a KB" and "don't ask for script" like the rest - but here's what I now think:
I started using Unity because of the community, we chose it as a platform because of the great support you get - people say all the time that "UDK community is crap compared to this". I use UA because this format of seeing answers and getting to the bottom of things is way superior to a forum when it's a thing that has one or more "Answers" not only definitive answers.
It's too late to make this a knowledge base with one definitive answer per question because a) there's too much stuff anyway and b) that isn't how beginners consume information.
Who the hell browses this site for fun? As a consumer you get here because of Google, if you are Googling Unity Null Reference Exception then there's never going to be a definitive answer anyway. This site 's entry page is a list of things that people are trying to work on now, and that's just fine. I can skip past some questions that are junk why not. Really it's only us who consume this site in that way.
So lets say some user who's pretty smart comes along and says I want to design X, I've got Y and can you help me. There are a number of solutions and I think they should be posted here - not buried in a pile of reply with quotes on the forum - if they get an answer at all. It's much more useful for the user and the community to see the gamut of possibilities and understand the level of support those solutions have using the voting system.
Let's say, as happened the other day, that someone asks about calculating something to do with vector math and is referred to some other math related site - because it's not "Unity" - well I think that the solution to these problems can be expressed in Unity very specifically - and anyway why not answer questions about FTP etc if the user is trying to execute it in the particular environment of Unity and Mono. Why wouldn't we answer. What harm is it actually doing? I've been here 2 years now, I can't see that it makes a shred of difference and it helps the user and it grows our community. I find it extremely unlikely UA would ever be inundated with questions that have nothing to do with games in our environment.
So I've decided to make this an answer, because I firmly expect it to receive downvotes as I appear to have a very contrary position.
Answer by Jamora · Feb 23, 2014 at 04:27 PM
AnswerHub might provide us with an inbuilt solution: Spaces. Topics in his answer probably mean tags.
The way I understood that answer, is that there is a way to have a space for all questions, and then another space for the advanced topics. He mentions that these spaces are able to have different permissions. This seems to imply a possibility for having only people ,say, above 1k karma ask questions there.
I say 1k karma, because I imagine by then that user has an idea what is considered advanced in UA and can make an informed desicion whether to ask in the normal space or the advanced space. Everyone would still be able to browse - and even answer and comment in - the advanced space.
I would also imagine that moderators would then be granted an option to move questions between these spaces, in case someone below 1k karma asks an advanced question in the default space.
We could also have a dedicated space for these META topics, like other respectable QA-sites.
Of course, even if we do tell Unity support, it'll depend on UA actually being updated by Unity Technologies...